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vergerefosh · Nov 21, 2006, 06:06 PM // 18:06

I love my bear even though it's got lower damage as it's HUGE and bigger than my sin

Could just make it do more damage. Brutal Mauling is part of the bear, so just make it do a little extra damage from it to balance up DPS.

Helcaraxe · Nov 21, 2006, 06:07 PM // 18:07

it wouldnt be imbalanced... duh...

empower brutal mauling to raise the bears DPS to the same as the other pets.

Kool Pajamas · Nov 21, 2006, 06:11 PM // 18:11

/signed to either fix the bear, or give each pet special attacks while allowing pvp chars to choose their pet type.

MithranArkanere · Nov 21, 2006, 06:13 PM // 18:13

Nope.

Since it is an adrenaline attack, the time it can be used varies if there is any adrenaline effect, It can't be balanced without remving the skill.

SpeedyKQ · Nov 21, 2006, 07:58 PM // 19:58

/signed

How hard is this to fix?

VGJustice · Nov 21, 2006, 08:10 PM // 20:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhedd

It took what... a whole eight posts for people to start asking for ridiculous crap?

I think it's funny how every obvious, sensible, simple suggestion in here immediately gets overcomplicated by people's ideas for "improvement".

No special pet attacks! Just fix the bugged bear. Simple

So, consider this a year-and-a-half's worth of /SIGNED.

qft and /signed for the ORIGINAL idea of the thread.

Just fix the only broken pet.

Tagon · Nov 21, 2006, 09:59 PM // 21:59

/signed for all the reasons stated above

Trakata · Nov 22, 2006, 03:24 AM // 03:24

...It's a simple skill removal. One type of creature uses it, a bear, and it affects balance, if only minorly. Obviously this shouldn't be a huge priority, but I fail to see the difficulty in simply removing the skill. We don't need pets doing all sorts of crap, we have Beast Mastery for that. Just make the bear the same as the rest of the pets, I don't understand why the skill was ever put in the game.

/Signed for removal

TheBaron82 · Nov 22, 2006, 10:37 AM // 10:37

/notsign for anything. The bear is special from the rest because it can trigger chants, therefore it drawback is slower attack rate. I don't like having pets with special, for one it will screw up the pvp system. The way it is now let you pick pets you like not picking them for their special. The only thing I agree is adding the ability to pick basic pet with different damage type for pvp char.

Emik · Nov 22, 2006, 10:39 AM // 10:39

That comes fro the fact that the bear in Pre Searing Ascalon was an enemy.
a lvl3/5 (seems to have slipped my mind) that had auto-aggro.
Since that bear was in no way different as an neutral bear the devs must've just sticked with this one type of instead of making another charmable one.
I think that really sums it up.
Might be wrong though

Carth` · Nov 22, 2006, 10:58 AM // 10:58

/signed

Pinghan · Nov 22, 2006, 03:52 PM // 15:52

/signed for remove brutal mauling

fallot · Nov 22, 2006, 04:11 PM // 16:11

/signed.

MrEctoplasma · Nov 22, 2006, 04:30 PM // 16:30

/signed for brutal mauling removal, simply because this attack is making a well timed disrupting lunge go down the drain.

About special 'pet powers', first I think some of them could be really overpowered : free knockdown, deep wounds dazed automatically spammed every 8 secs ?! I allready feel the pain (oh NO! A dazed black moa ranger team...).
Second, just because it'd be annoying to have a 'normal pet skill' interrupted or delayed by such a 'special power'.

In fact i'd prefer -just- slight differences between pets in term of hp, attack speed, attack damage, running speed. And of course if THAT was possible, some kind of signets of animal capturing (one in build only at a time), allowing to store and use different pets (and why not different versions of pet...).

Mercury Angel · Nov 22, 2006, 07:04 PM // 19:04

Thread cleaned. There's a note in the OP's post now, but I'll restate it here;
Please keep things simple in context. This thread is about 'balancing'/'fixing' things now in a timely manner with ease. There's no reason things can't be changed one way now, and changed another way later.

But keep the discussions of inherent pet attack/skills in other threads which already exist about the subject.

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As to the topic at hand, if Brutal Mauling can't technically be removed, I'm curious to know if it can be edited, as it was initially to make it useless;
It could be possible to simply make it do nothing in such a way that it doesn't matter, or have requirements that make it impossible to ever use.

"Brutal Mauling - 0en, 0 cast, --- recharge [rez sig/signet of rebirth style]
Skill
This skill does nothing."

And if the skill can't be edited at all, one can always create a new bear pet entry, same skin, WITHOUT Brutal Mauling, and perform a mass database edit, the same way undesirable weapon stats were removed, and give everyone with the current bear pet the new one, while removing the old one from the game entirely.

Or a bear collector that trades old bears for new ones?

In any case, even if a certain specific solution can not be done, the essence of programming is finding a way to get things done, even if it's not straightforward, through creative problem solving. There has to be some kind of alternate solution that would be viable if others are not.

Helcaraxe · Nov 22, 2006, 11:47 PM // 23:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Nope.

Since it is an adrenaline attack, the time it can be used varies if there is any adrenaline effect, It can't be balanced without remving the skill.

if we were going to change it would it be that hard to say... oh, remove the adrenaline cost and put in a recharge instead?

IT CAN BE BALANCED! You just aren't even trying to find a way.

JoeKnowMo · Nov 23, 2006, 12:04 AM // 00:04

/notsigned
You know what you are getting when you charm a bear. There's plenty of lvl 15 and up pets that you can charm if you don't want the Brutal Mauling.

If they're going to fix this, then they need to have pet attacks trigger anthems (which they currently don't).

Either take a paragon hero or player on your team or get rid of your bear.

MithranArkanere · Nov 23, 2006, 01:25 AM // 01:25

Instead of letting the bear like that, make pet attacks trigger anthems.

Shaggeh · Nov 23, 2006, 02:30 AM // 02:30

/signed

Remove Brutal Mauling and bring back the bear as a viable pet from a DPS standpoint.

Phoenix Arrows · Nov 23, 2006, 02:42 AM // 02:42

/notsigned

You don't need a bear, you can get a crane or something. ANet put Mauling on the bear for who-knows-what reasons, so live with it.